Reincarnation of Sri Aurobindo?
The following is another question to come out of my time in the Auroconf forum. It is a response to a document published by the Matrimandir Action Committee entitled, ‘The Day of the White Peacock – 4', which discusses the issue of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet's son (also referred to as ‘the 4th', who she writes is the reincarnation of Sri Aurobindo) and includes an essay written by him at age 15 while in school in Pondicherry, called, ‘The Book of Knowledge'. My response follows ‘M.A.K.'s question. (Note: PNB is also known as ‘Thea'.)
‘Hi Lori, If the lad write this at 15 he is indeed talented! But he would be 42 now, right? If as you believe he is [Sri Aurobindo] come again, then could you point me to his published books, his website, his study group or ashram? [Sri Aurobindo] at 42 (having been born in inconscience like the rest of us) was already known throughout India for his political revolutionary struggles, had attained already attained the highest enlightenment, and was writing the Arya which contained all of his master works except Savitri.
Since it is claimed that "the 4th" was not born in Inconscience like the rest of us, but in a supramental way, that means he would have had 42 years already, at the level S.A. was at when he was supramentally realised. For this reason, i would be very interested to learn of his books and writings and activities, his ashram, and so on. Also, who are his main followers? You cannot except me to be a naive fundamentalist like you and Wilkinson are and believe things simply because of what your abusive guru tells you. You have to show me facts, real facts, facts in the material world about "the fourth"s activities.'
Looking forward to your reply, M.A.K. (Auroconf member)
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M.A.K. - I consulted Thea with your questions, and she responded:
‘Lori ... It is not for you to deal with this matter. IT IS ALL IN THE FOURTH PEACOCK. Whoever wants to know, sincerely, has to digest what is there. What makes him think he has an 'ashram' somewhere? One can hardly expect him to repeat what he never wanted in the first round?!... I do find these guys so spiritually arrogant. They KNOW exactly what Sri Aurobindo should or should not do, should or should not be.'
I will add the following questions for you, M.A.K.: Why are you curious about him if you are so confident in and content with your behavior of shredding, denigrating, devaluing, and negating his mother as the 3rd element of the Supramental Descent – his mother whom even now you describe as the 'abusive guru'? Why would such absolute negation of his ‘line' entitle you to have access to information about his life and work? Those who are sincere in their curiosity about the reincarnation of Sri Aurobindo (i.e. those not coming from the place of ‘prove it you crazy delusional fraud') should read not only ‘The Day of the White Peacock – 4', but also The New Way, Volumes 1 & 2, The Hidden Manna, and The 10th Day of Victory.
Lori Tompkins
Notes:
Links to 'The Day of the White Peacock, 1 - 4', will be posted on this blogspot, and can also be found in the 'Integral Yoga News' section of www.quantumyoga.org or on the The Matrimandir Action Committee's website: www.matacom.com
posted by Lori Tompkins at 9:16 AM
4 Comments:
Thea´s answer explains nothing, it is a question of faith to believe or not. Maybe Sri Aurobindo, the Divine, can change his manifestation and according to PNB now he has a hidden manifestation in a supramental body. I would also like reading her son´s current thoughts, it would be very easy to realize if we are dealing with a fraud or not. I am sure that PNB and her followers are not stupid and they realize that if they are a fraud it is better to keep "Sri Aurobindo" quiet and hidden.
I cannot buy their statements. I have read many books of Sri Aurobindo and Mother and I have always realized that there were Truth in their words, maybe the psyquic feeling, I don´t feel the same with PNB and followers. Neither Amal Kiran seems to feel it.
Thanks for the blog.
4:30 AM
Jmaria, Thank you for your comment. Could you please post a comment indicating your full name? We are attempting to create an environment of transparency and accountability with regard to these discussions regarding the Supramental Descent. Can you also indicate which of Ms. Norelli-Bachelet's books you've read that determined your negative position regarding her words/yoga.
Whereas I understand your concerns and position, I personally don't find that Sri Aurobindo's return via Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet to be matter of faith at all. Rather, it seems to come down to the matter of whether or not one recognizes the quality of PNB's consciousness and yoga as Supramental. This has nothing to do with faith. It is a matter of comprehension. Those who comprehend the cosmological and yogic process described in PNB's works will comprehend the process by which Sri Aurobindo returned, and those who do not comprehend these processes will either:
A. Suspend judgement about something they do not comprehend; or
B. Judge the author as a looney and discount her because they don't want to believe that their lack of comprehension could possibly mean that they are lacking in consciousness in any way or that their own authority is only a shallow or partial understanding.
Of course it is easy enough to think that the notion of Sri Aurobindo returned as PNB's son is a delusion. The difficult part is doing the yoga and doing the appropriate reading with a mind not polluted by other's assessments, to determine for oneself whether PNB is really delusional or if perhaps there has been an unjust dismissal of her yoga due to power plays and un-illumined personal agendas after the Mother's departure in 1973.
For me, the dismissals of Amal Kiran and others who claims to be ‘in the know' and to be ‘authorities' about these matters (and the many people believe the opinions of such ‘authorities') regarding PNB and her part in Sri Aurobindo's reincarnation, means only that these people do not recognize or realize a Supramental Truth in PNB's writings and have chosen option ‘B' as listed above.
From my point of view, many of the people dismissing, ignoring, criticizing and slamming PNB for her yoga and its results, are claiming definitive knowledge and even ownership of the world-wide field of the Supramental frontier. From my point of view the behavior of many such ‘authorities' is a hubris, a tragic overstepping of natural limitations – in this case the natural limitation is the ability to comprehend the Supramental Consciousness and its new action on Earth; and the hubris is (over a period of more than three decades in some cases) – calling PNB a deluded crack-pot (and much worse), several decades of obstructing the sale and publishing of her work, successive attempts to eliminate her yoga from any pixel of the well-crafted image of how the Supramental and Integral Yogas are progressing in Auroville, Pondicherry and in the world, and effectively barring her from any representation on on-line presentations of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother's yoga and from representation in Integral Yoga schools based on the ‘philosophy' of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother (such as the California Institute of Integral Studies) as much as humanly possible.
Limitations in comprehension and an inability to identify with a significantly new and UNFAMILIAR consciousness is understandable and predictable for all of us at this stage in our evolution, but how one proceeds given this natural limitation, seems to define one's sincerity and will.
Take the Ashram Trustees for example: After an episode regarding PNB's book The New Way, Volumes 1 & 2 in the press in December 1978, the Trustees remained neutral about the issue, waiting for the next step to surface. They did not assume they had the authority or consciousness to reject the information at their hands and, moreover, they respected her knowledge and the right to publish it.
On the other hand, the manager of the the Ashram Press disobeyed orders of the Trustees, and demonstrated that he did imagine himself of sufficient authority and consciousness to determine that The New Way Volumes 1 & 2, and PNB's massive yogic effort was garbage and all but three copies of the book's press run were destroyed.
Which action shows more sincerity, true will and receptivity to the emerging and entirely New Consciousness that the Mother said was totally unrelated to the Old?
Regarding the refusal of Thea (PNB) and her students to publicly announce the whereabouts and current work of ‘the 4th', it has nothing to do with anyone trying to propagate a fraud that can't be proved or disproved because of lack of evidence. All concerned are simply respecting his privacy and his choices, and the necessity for events to unfold in Time in accordance with the Supramental Will which none of us can lay claim to. None of us has a right to demand anything regarding his yoga in this life time. Perhaps it is possible to inquire into the nature of such demands and the energy behind them. Curiosity is completely understandable, but to demand that Sri Aurobindo show up in a way that suits our needs rather than the needs of his own mission would seem to be a HUGE arrogance. To want evidence of his Mastery in this lifetime is understandable, but to demand such evidence at the threat of dismissing the whole thing as a fraud seems a massive mistake of immaturity. Who is to suffer from such a dismissal, save the one making it? Who is to benefit from such a dismissal save the moribund consciousness which is ill-equipped to perceive the ‘Hidden One' of the Vedas.
Lori Tompkins
1:37 PM
Dear JMaria,
This may be difficult for you to admit, but the fact that you cannot accept Thea’s words has very little to do with their inherent truth but rather your inability to understand them. This is not surprising given your affinity to people of limited realization, who, despite their pretense, are unable to guide you in the yoga. For those of us who have had the benefit of a true teacher and have grown in our understanding of Thea’s work, it is not at all a question of faith but a self-evident Knowledge which the Mother described as one of the certain infallible signs of the Supermind.
You suggest that perhaps if you read the thoughts of the Fourth that it would be easy to realize if you were dealing with a fraud. How is it that you expect to understand Him if you cannot understand Thea? More importantly, who are you to set yourself up as an authority on these questions in the first place? Are we to believe that your subjective ‘psychic feelings’ are more important than volumes of Supramental knowledge giving objective proofs of everything Thea says. This is the same cop out which Amal Kiran has used for decades to avoid dealing with the facts and we are not impressed. As Thea has written, “…When it comes to matters of the Supramental Gnosis, one should accept what one cannot understand in total humility and not argue about things of which they have no direct knowledge.”
Perhaps you will take this to heart and share the sentiment with Amal Kiran.
In the service of Truth,
Robert Wilkinson
1:50 PM
ori Tompkins said...
Jose Maria (jmaria),
I got your latest post, which I am not going to put up (for reasons I think you already intuited).
I appreciate your willingness to wrestle with this content, and we could go back and forth with all this a lot, but ...
I want this site to not get into the duel (unresolvable in the mental consciousness in which most of us dwell) of who it is exactly that is under the influence of asuric forces.
I want it to be serious discussion, based on experience with Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet's work ... I want to include counter opinions that are more specific to the content of PNB's yoga, not just reactions to or rejections of her claims (though some of that belongs here too).
But I don't feel that serious or fruitful discussion of PNB's work is possible based on the flat out rejection of her yoga in advance of actually having read the books which pertain to the issues being criticized.
I will attempt to avoid letting this blog to fall into exhausting pattern of yelling into an abyss from one ‘side' and expecting the other ‘side' to hear ... which serves no one.
If you want to explore how it is that astrology and an understanding of time and time cycles can help one see/experience the Supramental force in the world, PNB's The Gnostic Circle is the best source.
Details of 'the 4th's' process of incarnation and the Mother's original Temple blueprints are in PNB's The New Way, Volume 1 & 2, and Volume 3; 'Chronicles of the Inner Chamber', (link) 'The Day of the White Peacock'(link).
Best of light with your yoga, Lori Tompkins
Thanks for your participation in this process.
2:08 PM
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